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1. Kylie
   

   David Ben-Gurion: "When we say that the Arabs are the aggressors and we defend ourselves — this is only half the truth... Politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves.... The land, the villages, the mountains, the roads are in their hands. The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country."
   Wut. Many J's lived there a long time before

   Nope. Jish population was virtually non-existent prior to WW1. It was around 15% of the population in the late 1930s.

   She said they provided a safe haven and were then wiped out. Can't see how that's accurate.

   Total lie. She didn't say the Palestinians provided the safe haven, as has been explained to you multiple times. Also didn't say they were wiped out. Here are her words: "Palestinians — who lost their land and some lost their lives, their livelihood, their human dignity, their existence in many ways had been wiped out." So she says *some* of their lives and existence in *many* ways had been wiped out, which is 100% true.

   And nothing was forced on Palestinians.

   Hahahaha. Dude, if you're gonna lie and try to sell fake history, you have to make it sound good. A minute ago you were accusing the Palestinians of single-handedly launching the war to defend the mandate territory, but now they were totally fine with it? Ok, sure.

   15% is not virtually non existent. And they were building institutions.

   Obviously they weren't fine with Js moving in peacefully, that's why they committed terror and declared war.

   Legally moving into an area is not "forcing" anything on anyone.

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2. Marla
   

   15% is not virtually non existent. And they were building institutions.
   Obviously they weren't fine with Js moving in peacefully, that's why they committed terror and declared war.
   Legally moving into an area is not "forcing" anything on anyone.

   Wow, you have some serious reading comprehension problems. I said they were "virtually non-existent" prior to to WWI. The 15% figure is from the 1930s. They were "building institutions"? Cool, that's nice. Did they have a state? Nope. Well, that's the only question relevant to anything Tlaib said, so thanks for playing.

   The next bit is hilarious. So the Js moved in and claimed land against the Palestinians' wishes, triggering a war, but they weren't forced? So if I claim your house under eminent domain or something, and get the police to drag you out in handcuffs, you weren't forced to give up your house? Is that how that works?

   You seem to think the Js just moved into the neighborhood or bought up some unclaimed farm land or something. This is a complete lie. Even Ben-Gurion (if you don't know who that is, just stop responding), who I quoted above, admits that's false. You're pushing a historical revisionist line that is ludicrous nonsense.

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3. Kylie
   

   15% is not virtually non existent. And they were building institutions.
   Obviously they weren't fine with Js moving in peacefully, that's why they committed terror and declared war.
   Legally moving into an area is not "forcing" anything on anyone.

   Wow, you have some serious reading comprehension problems. I said they were "virtually non-existent" prior to to WWI. The 15% figure is from the 1930s. They were "building institutions"? Cool, that's nice. Did they have a state? Nope. Well, that's the only question relevant to anything Tlaib said, so thanks for playing.
   The next bit is hilarious. So the Js moved in and claimed land against the Palestinians' wishes, triggering a war, but they weren't forced? So if I claim your house under eminent domain or something, and get the police to drag you out in handcuffs, you weren't forced to give up your house? Is that how that works?
   You seem to think the Js just moved into the neighborhood or bought up some unclaimed farm land or something. This is a complete lie. Even Ben-Gurion (if you don't know who that is, just stop responding), who I quoted above, admits that's false. You're pushing a historical revisionist line that is ludicrous nonsense.

   The Js did not take land by eminent domain, are you crazy?

   They moved into the area completely legally. Nothing was forced on Palestinians.

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4. Greta
   

   J seemed to be doing fine in the U.S.

   European J could have moved to U.S. in mass after World War Two, but chose to carve out Israel from Arab lands.

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5. Lyndsea
   

   15% is not virtually non existent. And they were building institutions.
   Obviously they weren't fine with Js moving in peacefully, that's why they committed terror and declared war.
   Legally moving into an area is not "forcing" anything on anyone.
   Wow, you have some serious reading comprehension problems. I said they were "virtually non-existent" prior to to WWI. The 15% figure is from the 1930s. They were "building institutions"? Cool, that's nice. Did they have a state? Nope. Well, that's the only question relevant to anything Tlaib said, so thanks for playing.
   The next bit is hilarious. So the Js moved in and claimed land against the Palestinians' wishes, triggering a war, but they weren't forced? So if I claim your house under eminent domain or something, and get the police to drag you out in handcuffs, you weren't forced to give up your house? Is that how that works?
   You seem to think the Js just moved into the neighborhood or bought up some unclaimed farm land or something. This is a complete lie. Even Ben-Gurion (if you don't know who that is, just stop responding), who I quoted above, admits that's false. You're pushing a historical revisionist line that is ludicrous nonsense.

   The Js did not take land by eminent domain, are you crazy?
   They moved into the area completely legally. Nothing was forced on Palestinians.

   Welp, I guess that argument went way over your head. You haven't defined what in the world moving in "legally" means. According to who? And I easily destroyed the idea, even if this was true, that it means the land distribution wasn't forced on Palestinians. Of course it was, as you yourself acknowledge and even Ben-Gurion acknowledges. Denying this is frankly deranged.

   Did they want it to happen? No. Were they forced to have it happen at point of arms? Yes. Cool, thanks for playing.

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6. Kylie
   

   15% is not virtually non existent. And they were building institutions.
   Obviously they weren't fine with Js moving in peacefully, that's why they committed terror and declared war.
   Legally moving into an area is not "forcing" anything on anyone.
   Wow, you have some serious reading comprehension problems. I said they were "virtually non-existent" prior to to WWI. The 15% figure is from the 1930s. They were "building institutions"? Cool, that's nice. Did they have a state? Nope. Well, that's the only question relevant to anything Tlaib said, so thanks for playing.
   The next bit is hilarious. So the Js moved in and claimed land against the Palestinians' wishes, triggering a war, but they weren't forced? So if I claim your house under eminent domain or something, and get the police to drag you out in handcuffs, you weren't forced to give up your house? Is that how that works?
   You seem to think the Js just moved into the neighborhood or bought up some unclaimed farm land or something. This is a complete lie. Even Ben-Gurion (if you don't know who that is, just stop responding), who I quoted above, admits that's false. You're pushing a historical revisionist line that is ludicrous nonsense.
   The Js did not take land by eminent domain, are you crazy?
   They moved into the area completely legally. Nothing was forced on Palestinians.

   Welp, I guess that argument went way over your head. You haven't defined what in the world moving in "legally" means. According to who? And I easily destroyed the idea, even if this was true, that it means the land distribution wasn't forced on Palestinians. Of course it was, as you yourself acknowledge and even Ben-Gurion acknowledges. Denying this is frankly deranged.
   Did they want it to happen? No. Were they forced to have it happen at point of arms? Yes. Cool, thanks for playing.

   How was the land distribution forced on Palestinians? I never acknowledged that.

   And no it wasn't forced by arms. What are you talking about?

   Did they want it to happen? Well like many countries at the time, they wanted to kill all the Js. So not sure how that supports your argument. Many people don't want refugees or immigrants in their countries, it doesn't mean there's some injustice happening

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7. Lyndsea
   

   How was the land distribution forced on Palestinians? I never acknowledged that.
   And no it wasn't forced by arms. What are you talking about?
   Did they want it to happen? Well like many countries at the time, they wanted to kill all the Js. So not sure how that supports your argument. Many people don't want refugees or immigrants in their countries, it doesn't mean there's some injustice happening

   Well, based on this word salad, it sounds like you have literally no idea what happened in the 1940s in Israel. Like zero. Are you even aware that the crisis started with a Jish insurgency? Have you heard of Haganah? Then when the UN proposed a land partition, both the Brits and Arabs refused. Then civil war broke out, with the Js forcibly taking over major population centers and expelling the Palestinians. None of that was legal according to the existing government (or to the UN, for that matter). This isn't exactly obscure history.

   Read here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_insurgency_in_Mandatory_Palestine

   And here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947%E2%80%931948_civil_war_in_Mandatory_Palestine

   What you consider just or not isn't the issue. Denying that the Israeli takeover was forced on Palestinians is either clueless or deranged at the level of North Korean propaganda.

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