The APSA administration already has your registration fees. They don't care what you think because they already cashed checks, and after the pandemic is over, no one will hold them accountable for happened during the pandemic.
I'm an APSA 2020 Section Chair. Here's why the virtual conference is a disaster.
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Do you manage a budget, or are you just making this up as you go along? How is the 120 bucks we paid for your APSA membership gonna sink the department? You're not going to be able to get 75 for another online conference in the spring? We won't be able to help you out with the fieldwork that you'll be unable to do because of covid restrictions anyway? Give it to us in actual opportunity costs.
You can be as nasty as condescending as you please, it doesn’t change the fact that this was a waste of time and money. I can tell you that in my department, there is a total freeze on discretionary spending as a result of the pandemic. You can’t get reimbursed for - anything -. Is $120 really money I will miss? No, it’s about what I’d spend going out for dinner. It is what it is. But that doesn’t mean everyone should just be happy that they paid for what amounted to a clumsy and technologically illiterate effort at gatekeeping, and that efforts to make a more rational plan for the conference were overruled.
If this whole thing doesn’t bother you or your department, fine, Good for you. I guess your panel wasn’t ruined. Some people’s were. I guess $120 is nothing out of your pocket. For some people it is.
No matter how much you post on this thread or the other one trying to belittle the rest of us, you won’t change the fact that people are rightfully incensed at how this went down. So stop your bullying and move on.Good God, "bullying.". Grow up.
As I said in my last post: if you lost money personally because of this, you've got a legitimate beef. But if you're on here to bash APSA employees for failing to pull off something completely novel to them, and you're going to say that they screwed their membership intentionally, and you're going to pretend that you're a section chair because you're interested in social justice, then yeah, you're gonna hear about it.Hi Tanya!
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Do you manage a budget, or are you just making this up as you go along? How is the 120 bucks we paid for your APSA membership gonna sink the department? You're not going to be able to get 75 for another online conference in the spring? We won't be able to help you out with the fieldwork that you'll be unable to do because of covid restrictions anyway? Give it to us in actual opportunity costs.
You can be as nasty as condescending as you please, it doesn’t change the fact that this was a waste of time and money. I can tell you that in my department, there is a total freeze on discretionary spending as a result of the pandemic. You can’t get reimbursed for - anything -. Is $120 really money I will miss? No, it’s about what I’d spend going out for dinner. It is what it is. But that doesn’t mean everyone should just be happy that they paid for what amounted to a clumsy and technologically illiterate effort at gatekeeping, and that efforts to make a more rational plan for the conference were overruled.
If this whole thing doesn’t bother you or your department, fine, Good for you. I guess your panel wasn’t ruined. Some people’s were. I guess $120 is nothing out of your pocket. For some people it is.
No matter how much you post on this thread or the other one trying to belittle the rest of us, you won’t change the fact that people are rightfully incensed at how this went down. So stop your bullying and move on.
Good God, "bullying.". Grow up.
As I said in my last post: if you lost money personally because of this, you've got a legitimate beef. But if you're on here to bash APSA employees for failing to pull off something completely novel to them, and you're going to say that they screwed their membership intentionally, and you're going to pretend that you're a section chair because you're interested in social justice, then yeah, you're gonna hear about it.
Hi Tanya!Nope. I don't know any of the APSA employees, personally or professionally.
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APSA messed up the Zoom settings by giving panel chairs insufficient rights.
This has made it hard to setup protocols to thwart Zoom bombing. Including simple things like mute all.
Anecdotally--and would love if APSA released the entire set of Zoom bombing notifications to APSA support staff--such bombing is impacting panels discussing topics that are especially unpopular among particular political orientations.
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The APSA administration already has your registration fees. They don't care what you think because they already cashed checks, and after the pandemic is over, no one will hold them accountable for happened during the pandemic.
Sadly, this is true. People will claim, in retrospect, that the pandemic was such an unusual circumstance that everything and everyone should be forgiven.
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The WPSA did what the section chairs suggested and it was fine.
It probably builds much more good will for the organization.
I hadn't been to WPSA in years, but I saw a link to a panel on twitter. I was about to wash my car, so I just popped the zoom thing on, kept my camera off, and chillaxed with the panel while I washed my car.
The panel was still going on when I finished washing the car, so I sat in my lawn chair, popped open a Lagunitas, and had a beer during the Q and A,.
I wound up having a second beer and then watching a Bundesliga game on tv, before having an afternoon nap on the couch.
Pretty much the best conference experience I've ever had.This person has won at life.
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Regine was doing OK until he made up the stuff about being chair of a department and talking to the Associate Dean for Finance (who happens to know how much APSA fees were in recent years). Classic overreach. Crash.
If you'd actually read my post, you'd know I said the dean was happy she didn't have to pay for travel to APSA. She may not know what APSA fees are, but she does know the difference between the department requesting $720 for APSA and the department requesting $9000 for APSA. The latter is almost exactly what we asked for last fall
But hey, as a third year at UC-Irvine, I'm sure you've thought all this through.
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Nope, Regine still sounds unhinged.
Again - ZFG re: your take.
Enough about me, though. Let's get back to the profound injustice of APSA wanting to do what they can to keep out interference in their virtual panels. They...
What's that? There's been numerous instances of Zoomboming? Hm, okay. Now about canceling the APSA infrastructure...
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I hear there was actually a Zoom-bomb yesterday in at least one panel. Loud recordings of cursing, porn shared, etc. Of course, the APSA "host" wasn't able to deal with it because I think they just opened the room and then left.
We all need to Zoom bomb with a recording of the “bear claw danish“ text.
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Regine, you are universally hated here. And I doubt that it’s any different in your personal life. I’m sure in some way you are so twisted that you enjoy this. But there are other avenues for you. Have you, for instance, heard of gold shower? I’d try that. You’d antagonize fewer people and you’d get some humanly connection. You seem like you desperately need that