Magdalena Andersson made history as first female Swedish prime minister

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Magdalena Andersson made history as first female Swedish prime minister

Amilia

The reason Magdalena had to resign (despite not being confirmed by the king) was that The Green Party left the government. In such a situation the PM must seek a new vote of confidence."

Not confirmed by king = never formally accessed the position as PM. Which the text from Expressen, posted by the genius who does not know Swedish, points out.
That someone is voted PM by the parliament does not instantly make them PM.

Green Party left the government = no majority of MPs to pass legislative agenda in parliament = government resigns.

Whether you're Swedish or not is not relevant. I brought up that I am Swedish because some genius thought having lived in Denmark many years ago gave him authority on this matter.

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Byron

...and also made history a few short hours later when she resigned.
Progress!

You sound seckist

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Avon

"Green Party left the government = no majority of MPs to pass legislative agenda in parliament = government resigns."

Obviously wrong for anyone who knows Swedish politics. The reason the budget did not go through was because the Center Party (Centerpartiet), which is not in the government, did not vote for the government's budget proposal.

As I pointed out earlier, no government has to resign because it cannot pass its legislative agenda. The government has lost several legislative votes in the last four years, and even had to govern with the opposition's budget proposal for period. When Magdalena will be voted new PM next week she will also have to govern on the opposition's budget. And she has expressed that she is willing to do so.

The reason Magdalena had to resign (despite not being confirmed by the king) was that The Green Party left the government. In such a situation the PM must seek a new vote of confidence."

Not confirmed by king = never formally accessed the position as PM. Which the text from Expressen, posted by the genius who does not know Swedish, points out.
That someone is voted PM by the parliament does not instantly make them PM.
Green Party left the government = no majority of MPs to pass legislative agenda in parliament = government resigns.
Whether you're Swedish or not is not relevant. I brought up that I am Swedish because some genius thought having lived in Denmark many years ago gave him authority on this matter.

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Avon

And confirmation by the king is a mere formality.

The reason Magdalena had to resign (despite not being confirmed by the king) was that The Green Party left the government. In such a situation the PM must seek a new vote of confidence."

Not confirmed by king = never formally accessed the position as PM. Which the text from Expressen, posted by the genius who does not know Swedish, points out.
That someone is voted PM by the parliament does not instantly make them PM.
Green Party left the government = no majority of MPs to pass legislative agenda in parliament = government resigns.
Whether you're Swedish or not is not relevant. I brought up that I am Swedish because some genius thought having lived in Denmark many years ago gave him authority on this matter.

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Bridgette

I think this ends the discussion (for you who read Swedish):

https://www.altinget.se/artikel/jodaa-magdalena-andersson-blev-statsminister-i-onsdags?fbclid=IwAR3K-KUgnrQEYjjHOe9tsHUfdmo-bAlTAEarBj6ecBoNXIBU8gW0vrcVfdU

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Earnest

And confirmation by the king is a mere formality.
The reason Magdalena had to resign (despite not being confirmed by the king) was that The Green Party left the government. In such a situation the PM must seek a new vote of confidence."
Not confirmed by king = never formally accessed the position as PM. Which the text from Expressen, posted by the genius who does not know Swedish, points out.
That someone is voted PM by the parliament does not instantly make them PM.
Green Party left the government = no majority of MPs to pass legislative agenda in parliament = government resigns.
Whether you're Swedish or not is not relevant. I brought up that I am Swedish because some genius thought having lived in Denmark many years ago gave him authority on this matter.

LOL that's the very crux of the matter, the formality!!! HAAAAA. She's not Sweden's first female PM because she was never formally appointed PM. You don't understand the words you are using HAAAAA!

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Earnest

And confirmation by the king is a mere formality.
The reason Magdalena had to resign (despite not being confirmed by the king) was that The Green Party left the government. In such a situation the PM must seek a new vote of confidence."
Not confirmed by king = never formally accessed the position as PM. Which the text from Expressen, posted by the genius who does not know Swedish, points out.
That someone is voted PM by the parliament does not instantly make them PM.
Green Party left the government = no majority of MPs to pass legislative agenda in parliament = government resigns.
Whether you're Swedish or not is not relevant. I brought up that I am Swedish because some genius thought having lived in Denmark many years ago gave him authority on this matter.

LOL that's the very crux of the matter, the formality!!! HAAAAA. She's not Sweden's first female PM because she was never formally appointed PM. You don't understand the words you are using HAAAAA!

I think this ends the discussion (for you who read Swedish):
https://www.altinget.se/artikel/jodaa-magdalena-andersson-blev-statsminister-i-onsdags?fbclid=IwAR3K-KUgnrQEYjjHOe9tsHUfdmo-bAlTAEarBj6ecBoNXIBU8gW0vrcVfdU

No it doesn't. Another contradiction in terms. It says she was PM but not head of government, the PM is by definition head of government in Sweden. That article claims the constitution is unclear, no it isn't. If she was PM but not head of government, who was head of government during her tenure as PM and who is head of government now.

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Rona

The way I learned Sweden even had a king was by listening to Minnie the Moocher.

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Ellie

So you mean that it is the old PM who should appoint the minsters who the PM-elect-but-yet-to-be-PM must present to the monarch in order to be confirmed by him? Sounds a bit strange. If you are correct alls Swedish PMs in history have broken the law, by chosing their own ministers before they became PM.

And confirmation by the king is a mere formality.
The reason Magdalena had to resign (despite not being confirmed by the king) was that The Green Party left the government. In such a situation the PM must seek a new vote of confidence."
Not confirmed by king = never formally accessed the position as PM. Which the text from Expressen, posted by the genius who does not know Swedish, points out.
That someone is voted PM by the parliament does not instantly make them PM.
Green Party left the government = no majority of MPs to pass legislative agenda in parliament = government resigns.
Whether you're Swedish or not is not relevant. I brought up that I am Swedish because some genius thought having lived in Denmark many years ago gave him authority on this matter.

LOL that's the very crux of the matter, the formality!!! HAAAAA. She's not Sweden's first female PM because she was never formally appointed PM. You don't understand the words you are using HAAAAA!
I think this ends the discussion (for you who read Swedish):
https://www.altinget.se/artikel/jodaa-magdalena-andersson-blev-statsminister-i-onsdags?fbclid=IwAR3K-KUgnrQEYjjHOe9tsHUfdmo-bAlTAEarBj6ecBoNXIBU8gW0vrcVfdU

No it doesn't. Another contradiction in terms. It says she was PM but not head of government, the PM is by definition head of government in Sweden. That article claims the constitution is unclear, no it isn't. If she was PM but not head of government, who was head of government during her tenure as PM and who is head of government now.

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Ermenegilde

everyone arguing that MA did not formally speaking become PM is correct.

From Swedish parliament website 11/10.
"The Prime Minister [Stefan Löfven] has today requested to be relieved of office. The Prime Minister and the other ministers were therefore dismissed by the Speaker of the Riksdag. They retain their positions until a new government takes office. The Government is thus a caretaker government."
https://www.government.se/government-of-sweden/prime-ministers-office/stefan-lofven/

The "new government" would, after parliament approved MA as PM (it did not appoint her), have taken office today with MA as PM (and by definition head of government). That it did not take office means that Löfven's caretaker government, even though he resigned two weeks ago, is still in office with him as PM (and by definition head of government).

MA's "resignation" letter linked to itt has no formal meaning. It's actually quite silly.

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Ermenegilde

So you mean that it is the old PM who should appoint the minsters who the PM-elect-but-yet-to-be-PM must present to the monarch in order to be confirmed by him? Sounds a bit strange. If you are correct alls Swedish PMs in history have broken the law, by chosing their own ministers before they became PM.
And confirmation by the king is a mere formality.
The reason Magdalena had to resign (despite not being confirmed by the king) was that The Green Party left the government. In such a situation the PM must seek a new vote of confidence."
Not confirmed by king = never formally accessed the position as PM. Which the text from Expressen, posted by the genius who does not know Swedish, points out.
That someone is voted PM by the parliament does not instantly make them PM.
Green Party left the government = no majority of MPs to pass legislative agenda in parliament = government resigns.
Whether you're Swedish or not is not relevant. I brought up that I am Swedish because some genius thought having lived in Denmark many years ago gave him authority on this matter.
LOL that's the very crux of the matter, the formality!!! HAAAAA. She's not Sweden's first female PM because she was never formally appointed PM. You don't understand the words you are using HAAAAA!
I think this ends the discussion (for you who read Swedish):
https://www.altinget.se/artikel/jodaa-magdalena-andersson-blev-statsminister-i-onsdags?fbclid=IwAR3K-KUgnrQEYjjHOe9tsHUfdmo-bAlTAEarBj6ecBoNXIBU8gW0vrcVfdU
No it doesn't. Another contradiction in terms. It says she was PM but not head of government, the PM is by definition head of government in Sweden. That article claims the constitution is unclear, no it isn't. If she was PM but not head of government, who was head of government during her tenure as PM and who is head of government now.

nothing strange about this process.

the PM-elect puts together a cabinet which is presented to the king. after his confirmation the new government takes office with the previous PM-elect as PM and head of government. the out-going PM has nothing to do with it. the ministers in his cabinet may or may not also be in the new cabinet, but that is entirely up to the PM-elect to decide when putting together the new cabinet.

Löfven remains PM until a new person is approved (not appointed) as PM by the parliament, puts together a cabinet, and is confirmed by the king. MA only took first step.

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Ermenegilde

^^ wrong link, should be this one
https://www.government.se/articles/2021/11/prime-minister-to-lead-caretaker-government/

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Ermenegilde

omg! klutz. the king does not confirm governments anymore, he has no executive powers! what he does do is preside over the session whereby transition to new government takes place. that session would have taken place today had MA not "resigned."

and to clarify. In Sweden, only the PM, not any cabinet ministers, is approved by the parliament.

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Renley

The law still says that it is the PM (not PM-elect) that should appoint his/her ministers.

So you mean that it is the old PM who should appoint the minsters who the PM-elect-but-yet-to-be-PM must present to the monarch in order to be confirmed by him? Sounds a bit strange. If you are correct alls Swedish PMs in history have broken the law, by chosing their own ministers before they became PM.
And confirmation by the king is a mere formality.
The reason Magdalena had to resign (despite not being confirmed by the king) was that The Green Party left the government. In such a situation the PM must seek a new vote of confidence."
Not confirmed by king = never formally accessed the position as PM. Which the text from Expressen, posted by the genius who does not know Swedish, points out.
That someone is voted PM by the parliament does not instantly make them PM.
Green Party left the government = no majority of MPs to pass legislative agenda in parliament = government resigns.
Whether you're Swedish or not is not relevant. I brought up that I am Swedish because some genius thought having lived in Denmark many years ago gave him authority on this matter.
LOL that's the very crux of the matter, the formality!!! HAAAAA. She's not Sweden's first female PM because she was never formally appointed PM. You don't understand the words you are using HAAAAA!
I think this ends the discussion (for you who read Swedish):
https://www.altinget.se/artikel/jodaa-magdalena-andersson-blev-statsminister-i-onsdags?fbclid=IwAR3K-KUgnrQEYjjHOe9tsHUfdmo-bAlTAEarBj6ecBoNXIBU8gW0vrcVfdU
No it doesn't. Another contradiction in terms. It says she was PM but not head of government, the PM is by definition head of government in Sweden. That article claims the constitution is unclear, no it isn't. If she was PM but not head of government, who was head of government during her tenure as PM and who is head of government now.

nothing strange about this process.
the PM-elect puts together a cabinet which is presented to the king. after his confirmation the new government takes office with the previous PM-elect as PM and head of government. the out-going PM has nothing to do with it. the ministers in his cabinet may or may not also be in the new cabinet, but that is entirely up to the PM-elect to decide when putting together the new cabinet.
Löfven remains PM until a new person is approved (not appointed) as PM by the parliament, puts together a cabinet, and is confirmed by the king. MA only took first step.

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Ellie

https://open.spotify.com/episode/4yFdvfwTDlwcvPHmAeJWQn?si=sUhaOOCGQuSrv4FahogQ4w&nd=1&fbclid=IwAR2lQXeO1WDlsZEHVoWzCIvWsj6mY4e5zAYAGukn7Gg02yDJaCuyJO30sgw

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Post <blockquote>You are so painfully i9|\|0R/\7 of how a system of parliamentary democracy works. Do you even poli sci? . Leaving aside that Andersson did actually not resign because she formally speaking never assumed the position as PM. Voters do not elect the PM, the parliament does, and the PM is tasked with forming a government. And if the government does not have support from a majority of PMs, it has to resign, so the entire government resigned today, not just Andersson (if we for sake of argument allows that she did resign). Now the Speaker of the parliament will begin search for new PM. Andersson will likely become PM within a couple of weeks after she's formed a coalition with other parties in the parliament to get the majority of MPs required to pass the government's legislative agenda. From AP: "Andersson, leader of the Social Democratic party, decided it was best to step down from the post more than seven hours after she made history by becoming the first woman to lead the country. ”For me, it is about respect, but I also do not want to lead a government where there may be grounds to question its legitimacy,” Andersson told a news conference. Andersson, who was finance minister before briefly becoming prime minister, informed parliamentary Speaker Andreas Norlen that she is still interested in leading a Social Democratic one-party government." https://apnews.com/article/europe-denmark-stefan-lofven-9a788a1a3339a8eb516c4d882399cf6e</blockquote>

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