so Brainbridge, South Georgia, East Georgia, and Dalton are all 4 year schools like Middle GA State.
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I said Darton, not Dalton (two different schools - Darton is in Albany, Dalton is in - you guessed it! - Dalton). The ones I've listed are predominantly two-year, associate's granting schools with like one or two bachelor's degrees in nursing or education, with standard teaching loads around 5-5. MGSC has 18 bachelor's programs and is phasing out most associate's degrees, with a standard load of 4-4. Different institutional category.
USG institutional classifications, by mission (see pages 32-33): http://www.usg.edu/regents/documents/board_meetings/agenda_2015_05.pdf You'll note the institutions I listed are "Associate Dominant-Select Bachelor’s State Colleges"; Middle Georgia State is a "Balanced Bachelor’s and Associate State College" and will be a "State University" on July 1.
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Looks like you just made the same typo. But anyway Darton is also a 4 year school.
You have a strange definition of "4 year school," then. I don't think a college that only offers a four-year degree in one or two fields and has the vast majority of its graduates receive associate's degrees would meaningfully count as a 4-year institution.
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Christ, get some meds and get a life.
Neither Roper nor the university are in Almaty, so you
might want to gather some facts before commenting. Just my two cents.
I respectfully disagree. Whatever the rt. hon. gentleman from Almaty's quirks may or may not be, I think the Saudis are much more abusive. Just my two cents. -
I do think that we need to agree that this job is for a de facto community college instructor position:
First, a significant percentage of students at the institution are still in the associate's programs: See page 3 - http://www.mga.edu/academic-affairs/docs/MGA_CCG.pdf. While the information is 2-3 years old, it is unlikely to have changed that dramatically.
Second, the four-year majors are not political science-related nor do any of the faculty currently teach anything more than core courses.
Third, even if that changes the holder of this job is unlikely to be one of the people teaching upper-level classes.
Haven't seen the state's 2015-2016 salary schedule for public school teachers but $39K is probably a little better than you would get teaching high school social studies with a M.A. and teacher certification in a rural area without a COL boost.
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I do think that we need to agree that this job is for a de facto community college instructor position:
First, a significant percentage of students at the institution are still in the associate's programs: See page 3 - http://www.mga.edu/academic-affairs/docs/MGA_CCG.pdf. While the information is 2-3 years old, it is unlikely to have changed that dramatically.
Second, the four-year majors are not political science-related nor do any of the faculty currently teach anything more than core courses.
Third, even if that changes the holder of this job is unlikely to be one of the people teaching upper-level classes.
Haven't seen the state's 2015-2016 salary schedule for public school teachers but $39K is probably a little better than you would get teaching high school social studies with a M.A. and teacher certification in a rural area without a COL boost.
http://images.pcmac.org/Uploads/HoustonCS/HoustonCS/Divisions/DocumentsCategories/Documents/FY15%20State%20Salary%20Schedule.pdfYes, or many other occupations--Some people I went to high school are making more money than this as paralegals and other fields that require only an associates degree. And if you're doing a 5/5, you're not getting any research done; if you're still working on your dissertation, it's going to be delayed. This is one step before burnout. I appreciate Chris coming on and supplying us with additional info, and I wish him good luck with the search, and the person who accepts it good luck with the position. I'd just rather choose exit.
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"Haven't seen the state's 2015-2016 salary schedule for public school teachers but $39K is probably a little better than you would get teaching high school social studies with a M.A. and teacher certification in a rural area without a COL boost."
So what you're saying is that this job for someone with an MA, which pays $39K, doesn't pay as well as a job for someone w an MA and a teaching certification? What's the problem, then?
Oh, you mean that if you have a PhD you should be paid more? Well, it's pretty clear from Chris' post that a PhD would be paid more than someone with just an MA (who would likely start around $39K).
Save your indignation for an example that fits your narrative lol
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Ok fine, I will look at Darton.
They list to faculty in political science. Neither one as a phd. SK is an assistant Prof with a DPA. RM is an associate prof with an MA. Neitehr are listed as having admin roles.
salary in 2014
sk $71,900
RM $90,700That database includes overload and summer pay, not just their base salaries. If you look up some of my colleagues, you'll see many make 30% or more than their base because they teach summer (can be over 20% extra) and an overload ($3k per class). You'd have to see the institutional budget to see the base salaries, and even though they're theoretically public record you'd probably need to FOIA it.
As for the TT, we completed that search a few weeks ago and hired someone who will start in August.
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I just want to jump in to acknowledge how collegial and informative Chris is being here in the face of a lot of nasty comments. Chris, I don't know you, and you don't know me, but thanks for engaging sincerely here.
Many people posting on PSR have not been in the position of navigating a tough (genuinely tough) budgetary situation while trying to remain honest to your principles (whether that's keeping class sizes small enough that you can credibly say your students are getting the attention they need to potentially thrive, or trying to get your junior colleague a course release without the dean noticing, or whatever).
Thank you!
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"Haven't seen the state's 2015-2016 salary schedule for public school teachers but $39K is probably a little better than you would get teaching high school social studies with a M.A. and teacher certification in a rural area without a COL boost."
So what you're saying is that this job for someone with an MA, which pays $39K, doesn't pay as well as a job for someone w an MA and a teaching certification? What's the problem, then?
Oh, you mean that if you have a PhD you should be paid more? Well, it's pretty clear from Chris' post that a PhD would be paid more than someone with just an MA (who would likely start around $39K).
Save your indignation for an example that fits your narrative lol
</blockquoteDon't know where the indignation is.
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For what it's worth, I don't think the compensation or base teaching load for this position are ideal either. And nobody here is under any illusions that it's competitive with a tenure-track opportunity, or that structurally Georgia higher ed is where it should be.
If the job's not for you, I get it. If on the other hand it might be, I'll try to answer legit questions.
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For what it's worth, I don't think the compensation or base teaching load for this position are ideal either. And nobody here is under any illusions that it's competitive with a tenure-track opportunity, or that structurally Georgia higher ed is where it should be.
If the job's not for you, I get it. If on the other hand it might be, I'll try to answer legit questions.Is there any possibility of reduced class load in future years if the person produces solid publications? I think I know the answer but I'm not familiar enough with the structure of GA education state to be sure...