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Cicero

He was in Econ in England too. NYU polisci was wannabe Econ anyway.

Yes you can live in Ann Arbor and teach at MSU. But is Ann Arbor better than Bristol though? Worse weather, right? Is MSU better than U.of Bristol (which is in the Russell Group)? Seriously asking. Maybe there is a spousal factor, or maybe just more $ in US schools, IDK.

No comment on this guy except that after the NYUY stint he went from Bristol to Michigan State. That was clearly voluntary, but why? Is there really a big difference between these universities? Bristol is nice. E. Lansing, not so much, I think. Maybe some people want to be in the U.S. and I guess the $ could be better, but he's European.
Interesting. JE had a tenurable record, curious what happened there.
A good example of how borderline cases can be sunk if you don't get along with some of your colleagues. Which is a shame.

He is in Econ and now a full professor. And you can live in Ann Arbor.

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Alana

He was in Econ in England too. NYU polisci was wannabe Econ anyway.
Yes you can live in Ann Arbor and teach at MSU. But is Ann Arbor better than Bristol though? Worse weather, right? Is MSU better than U.of Bristol (which is in the Russell Group)? Seriously asking. Maybe there is a spousal factor, or maybe just more $ in US schools, IDK.

MSU is much better than Bristol.

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Margie

He was in Econ in England too. NYU polisci was wannabe Econ anyway.
Yes you can live in Ann Arbor and teach at MSU. But is Ann Arbor better than Bristol though? Worse weather, right? Is MSU better than U.of Bristol (which is in the Russell Group)? Seriously asking. Maybe there is a spousal factor, or maybe just more $ in US schools, IDK.

MSU: globally top-30ish econ department, salary of about $170k (as associate).

Bristol: globally top-130ish econ department, salary about $81k (highest bracket as a reader).

You need to have a strong personal taste for Europe to pick Bristol over MSU. Nothing wrong if that's your case, but if you're career driven, then MSU>>>Bristol.

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Tamera

if you are spanish, bristol does not actually count as europe anymore.

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Rube

who's JE?

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Emmet

GM?

Tenured.

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Cicero

Not for certain purposes, but if the issue is proximity to Spain, it's certainly a lot easier than being in Michigan.

if you are spanish, bristol does not actually count as europe anymore.

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Roly

you don’t know NYU
JP is well on her way to denial.

She isn’t well-liked and her work is not particularly consequential.

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Jaquelyn

you don’t know NYU
JP is well on her way to denial.
She isn’t well-liked and her work is not particularly consequential.

is it because she isn't running experiments in Africa?

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Roly

you don’t know NYU
JP is well on her way to denial.
She isn’t well-liked and her work is not particularly consequential.

is it because she isn't running experiments in Africa?

No, horrible colleague.

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Cicero

It's not like NYU has had a warm and fuzzy culture.

you don’t know NYU
JP is well on her way to denial.
She isn’t well-liked and her work is not particularly consequential.
is it because she isn't running experiments in Africa?

No, horrible colleague.

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Gia

The weather in Bristol (actually, in all of England) is miserable, unless for some reason you like never seeing the sun.

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Candis

Who cares if someone is a terrible colleague? It's a job, not a friendship contest. The relevant question is, does she do her job well? Not, do I like drinking machotos with her.

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Marlowe

Who cares if someone is a terrible colleague? It's a job, not a friendship contest. The relevant question is, does she do her job well? Not, do I like drinking machotos with her.

everybody is in someone's opinion a terrible colleague. the bebops and the gheys and the queefs think white straight men are terrible colleagues, if not existential threats, by default.

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Tamera

Who cares if someone is a terrible colleague? It's a job, not a friendship contest. The relevant question is, does she do her job well? Not, do I like drinking machotos with her.

i do not know this person, but being a good colleague is different from being a friend. you can have a perfectly good colleague who you want nothing to do with socially or a friend who you regard as a terrible colleague. again, not a comment about the particular individual.

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Tanzi

Who cares if someone is a terrible colleague? It's a job, not a friendship contest. The relevant question is, does she do her job well? Not, do I like drinking machotos with her.

This is true only if many academics were not petty and mediocre

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Gia

Who cares if someone is a terrible colleague? It's a job, not a friendship contest. The relevant question is, does she do her job well? Not, do I like drinking machotos with her.

Actually, it depends on the department. At some departments, the most important question is whether you will publish in top journals. At other departments, it's whether you get good teaching evaluations. But at yet other departments, the relevant questions for tenure decisions are things like:

- Does the candidate vote the "right" way at faculty meetings?
- Does the candidate volunteer to take on administrative service work that senior colleagues hate doing?
- Does the candidate stroke the ego of the right senior faculty?
- Does the candidate side with the "correct" senior faculty in contentious departmental fights?

In summary, it's sometimes not much different than any non-academic workplace environment.

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Tatton

The Southwest including Bristol and Exeter is the nicest part of England. I wouldn't say English weather is great, but we're talking about Michigan as the alternative. From November to March, I'd rather be in Bristol. In the summer, you can be where you want.

The weather in Bristol (actually, in all of England) is miserable, unless for some reason you like never seeing the sun.

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Cosmo

The weather in Bristol (actually, in all of England) is miserable, unless for some reason you like never seeing the sun.

Actually, the bad weather is a bit of a myth. Bristol has the same average number of yearly sunshine hours as other European cities such as Amsterdam, Berlin, Luxembourg, and actually a bit more than many others, such as Zurich.

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