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Pascaline

God, why don't you guys hash this out in person, face-to-face, rather than airing your baggage on PSR?

Choi and BV have been fighting this bitter battle for years on PSR, reopening old wounds over and over. Many have tried to ignore them and their BS, but at a certain point enough is enough. I agree with you, btw. It's not a discussion for PSR.

Hello, children, the thread is not about individuals, but about dept dysfunction.

For example, a majority of faculty didn't know the opening of the AP position till November 1, which was only about two weeks before the first campus visit in mid-November.

This also explains why a majority of faculty didn't see the job announcement before someone posted it here the other day.

By the way, Roosevelt made assertion: "BV told grad students during his interview that you should make sure to have sex with undergrads as a grad student bc it's harder to get away with it as faculty."

So, despite this alleged misbehavior "during his interview", UIC decided to hire BV. Seriously? You really don't want to make up things like this.

Roosevelt made assertion: "Choi gave out negative grades (literally less than "zero") for papers, which is why he was stripped of the stats course."

I really have no idea of what you're talking about here. Choi is an IR specialist, not a statistician. Aren't stat courses taught by methodologists in our discipline? It has become a major field just like IR, AP, CP, etc. But as far as I know, Choi was not trained as a methodologist, though he uses stats in his research, just like many other political scientists. So I have no idea of why you made that allegation. At any rate, if you said Choi was stripped of IR courses, it's really something so that I could see your point. But you didn't, so I just don't get it.

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Tyrone

Who are the leading "bad actors" at UIC--the source of the problematic culture in the program?

3 years ago # QUOTE 0 YEA 1 NAY !
Pascaline

^ I was Dorinda and now Pascaline.

3 years ago # QUOTE 0 YEA 2 NAY !
Lexia

I really have no idea of what you're talking about here. Choi is an IR specialist, not a statistician. Aren't stat courses taught by methodologists in our discipline? It has become a major field just like IR, AP, CP, etc. But as far as I know, Choi was not trained as a methodologist, though he uses stats in his research, just like many other political scientists. So I have no idea of why you made that allegation. At any rate, if you said Choi was stripped of IR courses, it's really something so that I could see your point. But you didn't, so I just don't get it.

I thought the story of Choi wasn't that he was stripped of stats classes, so much as that he was forced to teach them because of the department's alleged racism ("Asians are good at math) and/or retaliation for his winning appeal of the tenure denial.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-uic-professor-sues-discrimination-1229-biz-20161228-story.html

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Averill

^Right. Stop dealing in facts, would you?

3 years ago # QUOTE 3 YEA 1 NAY !
Janessa

Take away a class because they have standards. How bout just give everyone an A.

3 years ago # QUOTE 2 YEA 3 NAY !
Janessa

UIC is a bunch of rotten apples in a Cesspool floating in a swamp

3 years ago # QUOTE 2 YEA 2 NAY !
Kayla

Choi gave out negative grades (literally less than "zero") for papers, which is why he was stripped of the stats course.

This is freaking awesome, no matter if true or not. Once I get tenure I'm going to start doing this.

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Marva

This is the UI in Champaign? Or Chicago? Don’t know many people at either campus.

3 years ago # QUOTE 1 YEA 5 NAY !
Maxene

Chicago. The one in Urbana-Champaign is UIUC.

This is the UI in Champaign? Or Chicago? Don’t know many people at either campus.

3 years ago # QUOTE 1 YEA 3 NAY !
Tyrone

This is the UI in Champaign? Or Chicago? Don’t know many people at either campus.

you're an idiot

3 years ago # QUOTE 2 YEA 3 NAY !
Neville

Fact One: The Dept received 38 applications for the AP position: 36 complete and 2 incomplete
Fact Two: The Dept invited 4 candidates for campus visit: XV (AP, Arkansas, UCR Ph.D.), MP (Visiting AP, Arkansas, Mexico Ph.D.), TB (Research AP, Northwestern, Stanford Ph.D.) and LC (AP, UCR, UWash Ph.D.)
Fact Three: 1 of the 4 invited candidates failed to complete her application package
Fact Four: The Dept has known all along that there were 33 candidates who completed their applications but none of them were invited to Chicago. This did a disservice to the Dept, the University, the Profession, and most importantly the candidates who spent endless time and money to make their application package perfect and complete and believed in fairness and equity in the evaluation processes
Fact Five: The Dept made their hiring decision on the 6th of December
Fact Six: Some of the above facts were posted on PSR on the 7th of December but deleted on the same day

Are you implying the person who's got the job didn't complete their application?

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Gena

Lol you took your department dirt and posted it on a white supremacy message board.

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Armelle

Lol you took your department dirt and posted it on a white supremacy message board.

Whistleblowing?

3 years ago # QUOTE 4 YEA 1 NAY !
Pascaline

Fact One: The Dept received 38 applications for the AP position: 36 complete and 2 incomplete
Fact Two: The Dept invited 4 candidates for campus visit: XV (AP, Arkansas, UCR Ph.D.), MP (Visiting AP, Arkansas, Mexico Ph.D.), TB (Research AP, Northwestern, Stanford Ph.D.) and LC (AP, UCR, UWash Ph.D.)
Fact Three: 1 of the 4 invited candidates failed to complete her application package
Fact Four: The Dept has known all along that there were 33 candidates who completed their applications but none of them were invited to Chicago. This did a disservice to the Dept, the University, the Profession, and most importantly the candidates who spent endless time and money to make their application package perfect and complete and believed in fairness and equity in the evaluation processes
Fact Five: The Dept made their hiring decision on the 6th of December
Fact Six: Some of the above facts were posted on PSR on the 7th of December but deleted on the same day
Are you implying the person who's got the job didn't complete their application?

I was Dorinda (OP) and Pascaline.

The person failed to submit letters of recommendation. Note it is not a letter, but letters.

The search committee and the Dept moved forward the person all the way without her letters. Note her references failed to write a letter on her half, and the Dept did not follow the Guidelines and Procedures for Academic Appointments (https://diversity.illinois.edu/NewSearchManual/search_guidelines_and_procedures.pdf). "The search committee should review and evaluate all submissions of interest that meet the requirements of an applicant" (see p. 41).

I can not tell you whether the person has got the job. But I can tell you the search decision has been made.

I want to reiterate my point one more time here: By violating the Academic Appointment rule, the Dept did a disservice to the Dept, the University, the Profession, and most importantly the candidates who spent much time and money to make their application package perfect and complete and believed in fairness and equity in the evaluation processes.

Besides, a majority of faculty didn't know the opening of the AP position till November 1, which was only about two weeks before the first campus visit in mid-November.

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Sierra

I would be mortified if I was said applicant. Real show of class, Pascaline

Fact One: The Dept received 38 applications for the AP position: 36 complete and 2 incomplete
Fact Two: The Dept invited 4 candidates for campus visit: XV (AP, Arkansas, UCR Ph.D.), MP (Visiting AP, Arkansas, Mexico Ph.D.), TB (Research AP, Northwestern, Stanford Ph.D.) and LC (AP, UCR, UWash Ph.D.)
Fact Three: 1 of the 4 invited candidates failed to complete her application package
Fact Four: The Dept has known all along that there were 33 candidates who completed their applications but none of them were invited to Chicago. This did a disservice to the Dept, the University, the Profession, and most importantly the candidates who spent endless time and money to make their application package perfect and complete and believed in fairness and equity in the evaluation processes
Fact Five: The Dept made their hiring decision on the 6th of December
Fact Six: Some of the above facts were posted on PSR on the 7th of December but deleted on the same day
Are you implying the person who's got the job didn't complete their application?

I was Dorinda (OP) and Pascaline.
The person failed to submit letters of recommendation. Note it is not a letter, but letters.
The search committee and the Dept moved forward the person all the way without her letters. Note her references failed to write a letter on her half, and the Dept did not follow the Guidelines and Procedures for Academic Appointments (https://diversity.illinois.edu/NewSearchManual/search_guidelines_and_procedures.pdf). "The search committee should review and evaluate all submissions of interest that meet the requirements of an applicant" (see p. 41).
I can not tell you whether the person has got the job. But I can tell you the search decision has been made.
I want to reiterate my point one more time here: By violating the Academic Appointment rule, the Dept did a disservice to the Dept, the University, the Profession, and most importantly the candidates who spent much time and money to make their application package perfect and complete and believed in fairness and equity in the evaluation processes.
Besides, a majority of faculty didn't know the opening of the AP position till November 1, which was only about two weeks before the first campus visit in mid-November.

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Glanville

This thread needs to be forwarded to all of the following people:

https://www.uic.edu/about/leadership

3 years ago # QUOTE 4 YEA 0 NAY !
Elsa

This thread needs to be forwarded to all of the following people:
https://www.uic.edu/about/leadership

What about Rahm Emanuel?

3 years ago # QUOTE 2 YEA 1 NAY !
Tianna

It's the one in shampaign.

- fieckers

This is the UI in Champaign? Or Chicago? Don’t know many people at either campus.

3 years ago # QUOTE 4 YEA 1 NAY !
Roosevelt

Fact One: The Dept received 38 applications for the AP position: 36 complete and 2 incomplete
Fact Two: The Dept invited 4 candidates for campus visit: XV (AP, Arkansas, UCR Ph.D.), MP (Visiting AP, Arkansas, Mexico Ph.D.), TB (Research AP, Northwestern, Stanford Ph.D.) and LC (AP, UCR, UWash Ph.D.)
Fact Three: 1 of the 4 invited candidates failed to complete her application package
Fact Four: The Dept has known all along that there were 33 candidates who completed their applications but none of them were invited to Chicago. This did a disservice to the Dept, the University, the Profession, and most importantly the candidates who spent endless time and money to make their application package perfect and complete and believed in fairness and equity in the evaluation processes
Fact Five: The Dept made their hiring decision on the 6th of December
Fact Six: Some of the above facts were posted on PSR on the 7th of December but deleted on the same day
Are you implying the person who's got the job didn't complete their application?

I was Dorinda (OP) and Pascaline.
The person failed to submit letters of recommendation. Note it is not a letter, but letters.
The search committee and the Dept moved forward the person all the way without her letters. Note her references failed to write a letter on her half, and the Dept did not follow the Guidelines and Procedures for Academic Appointments (https://diversity.illinois.edu/NewSearchManual/search_guidelines_and_procedures.pdf). "The search committee should review and evaluate all submissions of interest that meet the requirements of an applicant" (see p. 41).
I can not tell you whether the person has got the job. But I can tell you the search decision has been made.
I want to reiterate my point one more time here: By violating the Academic Appointment rule, the Dept did a disservice to the Dept, the University, the Profession, and most importantly the candidates who spent much time and money to make their application package perfect and complete and believed in fairness and equity in the evaluation processes.
Besides, a majority of faculty didn't know the opening of the AP position till November 1, which was only about two weeks before the first campus visit in mid-November.

Pascaline is Choi, obviously.

3 years ago # QUOTE 7 YEA 2 NAY !

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