I am an AP at a middle of the road R1. Our department has a large number of associate professors, many of whom appear to retire without ever making full. is this common elsewhere? do most get stuck at associate level without ever making full prior to retiring?
Stuck at Associate Professor level
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dude r1 associate for life?
1. high middle class income
2. crazily low external pressure
3. opportunity for intellectual engagement at your discretion
4. high status
vvv hard to imagine who would feel sympathy to someone in this circumstaceYou are very unlikely to be elected President of the APSA with an attitude like that, sir.
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I think that most PS profs never make Full before they retire/die - and not just high-end R1 people.
Once they get tenure, many PS profs finally give up on the whole "science" pretense and therefore don't care much about big time publishing. Also, at many places there's very little financial incentive to move up to Full. And in fact Full may come with greater service demands, so what do it?
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dude r1 associate for life?
1. high middle class income
2. crazily low external pressure
3. opportunity for intellectual engagement at your discretion
4. high status
vvv hard to imagine who would feel sympathy to someone in this circumstaceNot sure about that high status part.
And in many places your income will stagnate because you won't be getting merit raises. At my R1, the lifetime associates make less than assistants, which is definitely not the case for Fulls.
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I am an AP at a middle of the road R1. Our department has a large number of associate professors, many of whom appear to retire without ever making full. is this common elsewhere? do most get stuck at associate level without ever making full prior to retiring?
Just have a mother Mountain Dew and nod your head when SM talks
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But they have been making that money since the 80s. Already bought a house when it was cheap, etc.
And in many places your income will stagnate because you won't be getting merit raises. At my R1, the lifetime associates make less than assistants, which is definitely not the case for Fulls.
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dude r1 associate for life?
1. high middle class income
2. crazily low external pressure
3. opportunity for intellectual engagement at your discretion
4. high status
vvv hard to imagine who would feel sympathy to someone in this circumstaceNot sure about that high status part.
And in many places your income will stagnate because you won't be getting merit raises. At my R1, the lifetime associates make less than assistants, which is definitely not the case for Fulls.Definitely high status. People around here are impressed when you say you're a professor. Same when traveling, etc.
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I think that most PS profs never make Full before they retire/die - and not just high-end R1 people.
Once they get tenure, many PS profs finally give up on the whole "science" pretense and therefore don't care much about big time publishing. Also, at many places there's very little financial incentive to move up to Full. And in fact Full may come with greater service demands, so what do it?Not Peace Scientists. We never give up hope on science. If I thought my work was meaningless I would kill myself.
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But they have been making that money since the 80s. Already bought a house when it was cheap, etc.
And in many places your income will stagnate because you won't be getting merit raises. At my R1, the lifetime associates make less than assistants, which is definitely not the case for Fulls.
I'll give you the real estate point for some markets. But the reality of public schools with limited/no COL raises means that many of these lifetime associates are seeing their wages effectively go down each year. Not a good financial situation, especially when you have kids going to college.
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Definitely high status. People around here are impressed when you say you're a professor. Same when traveling, etc.
We obviously hang out in different circles. I never meet people who are impressed by someone being a professor.
And in college towns (where most of us live), professors are a dime a dozen. The real distinction is being very accomplished, endowed chair, etc. None of which accrues to lifetime associates!