Are all schools going to implement these opt-out one-year extensions of the tenure clock?
Apparently yes? This list is growing by the hour:
https://t.co/1FMANcZNEe?amp=1
Tenure Clock Extensions due to Coronvirus, Covid 19?
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i think the movement is clear that it'll be across the board at any institution that has already acted... since everyone's career has been affected in some way, it would be tough and unfair to show specific harm.
I haven’t heard so at my university yet.
I don’t get across the board extensions. I think you should have to make a case, that is show hardship. -
I haven’t heard so at my university yet.
I don’t get across the board extensions. I think you should have to make a case, that is show hardship.Taking your classes online is a huge amount of extra work. All of us are experiencing that hardship. If anything, it hits new APs harder since they have less material in their teaching repertoire to draw from.
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^even the ones teaching a class a semester (or even two). Look, I get it if the fall is also an online situation, but I am not convinced a half semester of online teaching means a whole extra year on the clock. Now, if summer travel is also impacted, then that is an argument that makes more sense.
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universities need to act now. this is not about counting beans. we're way past this. if there is 1/3 of a semester damaged, universities can only round up. some will gain, some will still lose, but that's life.
^even the ones teaching a class a semester (or even two). Look, I get it if the fall is also an online situation, but I am not convinced a half semester of online teaching means a whole extra year on the clock. Now, if summer travel is also impacted, then that is an argument that makes more sense.
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Every university will extend the clock whether you think they should or not—that is how norms and precedent work. A university that acts in a way that seems cruel will put itself at a long-term disadvantage when things resume. So that norm is already set: Harvard and Yale have done it.
The tenure clock will be the least of our worries, however. If the economy goes the way of 2008, expect hiring freezes (grad students on the market will be in pain), no 7th and 8th years funding for grad students, and continued stress, and 1/2 of all endowments to disappear. I am prepared for wage increases to freeze, summer salaries to be furloughed, etc.
If you think this will be over by the end of the semester, you have not been speaking to doctors and scientists that study this sort of stuff. This is going to last into the summer, and many people will get sick and many will die, including people you know. Other will lose their livelihood.
Tenure clock is the least of your worry, and if it is your sole worry then you are not different form the morons at the bar or beach. You are just not processing what is really unfolding. You are thinking this virus on the semester system.
Still, I get the myopia of my fellow academics who can't see pass their excel plan for the next five years.
You should worry more about dealing with what is coming long before tenure—some real pain.
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I teach 4/4/2. Putting my classes online has been easy. I'm in damage-control mode, and fully accept the drop in quality. You should, too. And when you do, you'll see that doing an OK job online is easy and not very time-consuming at all. Everyone accepts this is an unusual situation and that standards will drop. Take advantage of it to drop your own standards, and concentrate on what matters--the well-being of you and yours, and getting ahead on your pubs.
Universities should reduce tenure expectations, rather than granting another year on the clock. But of course they won't. I would advise not to take the extra year unless you really, really need it. The earlier you get the pay raise, the better, long-term.
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yes, making this opt in/opt out but guaranteed appears the way it is implemented, and rightly so.
I teach 4/4/2. Putting my classes online has been easy. I'm in damage-control mode, and fully accept the drop in quality. You should, too. And when you do, you'll see that doing an OK job online is easy and not very time-consuming at all. Everyone accepts this is an unusual situation and that standards will drop. Take advantage of it to drop your own standards, and concentrate on what matters--the well-being of you and yours, and getting ahead on your pubs.
Universities should reduce tenure expectations, rather than granting another year on the clock. But of course they won't. I would advise not to take the extra year unless you really, really need it. The earlier you get the pay raise, the better, long-term. -
if you feel you are getting fair review this year by reviewers, journals and letter writers, you are dreaming. also, no seminars or conferences.
Online is great. I’ve been moving more and more of my courses there for the last ten years. Y’all humps are behind the curve.
This is great for me. I’m easily able to adapt. I don’t even have to do any work to adapt! Hah! Hahahahaha! -
RAs not doing any work, coauthor networks blown, etc.
if you feel you are getting fair review this year by reviewers, journals and letter writers, you are dreaming. also, no seminars or conferences.
Online is great. I’ve been moving more and more of my courses there for the last ten years. Y’all humps are behind the curve.
This is great for me. I’m easily able to adapt. I don’t even have to do any work to adapt! Hah! Hahahahaha! -
Every university will extend the clock whether you think they should or not—that is how norms and precedent work. A university that acts in a way that seems cruel will put itself at a long-term disadvantage when things resume. So that norm is already set: Harvard and Yale have done it.
The tenure clock will be the least of our worries, however. If the economy goes the way of 2008, expect hiring freezes (grad students on the market will be in pain), no 7th and 8th years funding for grad students, and continued stress, and 1/2 of all endowments to disappear. I am prepared for wage increases to freeze, summer salaries to be furloughed, etc.
If you think this will be over by the end of the semester, you have not been speaking to doctors and scientists that study this sort of stuff. This is going to last into the summer, and many people will get sick and many will die, including people you know. Other will lose their livelihood.
Tenure clock is the least of your worry, and if it is your sole worry then you are not different form the morons at the bar or beach. You are just not processing what is really unfolding. You are thinking this virus on the semester system.
Still, I get the myopia of my fellow academics who can't see pass their excel plan for the next five years.
You should worry more about dealing with what is coming long before tenure—some real pain.Wow that's a good view from the top of the totem pole. Let's see:
-no 7th and 8th years funding for grad students
Lol our grads are lucky if they get 5 full years. Technically they have four years guaranteed.
-I am prepared for wage increases to freeze
If we go by 2008 precedent, we're not talking about frozen increases. We're talking salary reduction in the form of furloughs or perhaps (hopefully!) temporary reductions to be paid back later
-summer salaries to be furloughed
Lol summer salaries you're cute.
So yeah, I'm sure life will suck for you at your Top-5. Imagine how bad it will be to the rest of us...