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1. Fabian
   

   Just to recap, Townhall Trolls thinks that stigmatizing and quarantining HIV positive people will help solve the crisis, as opposed to scaring people away from testing and causing them hide their disease.
   That's how crazy stupid and thoughtless some of these conservatives are.
   Let me guess: you are completely innumerate, so you have no idea what the cheapest way to stop a process with exponential growth is. Answer: it's cheapest to stop it at the beginning, before the number of affected people grows large, see? If the USA had imposed quarantine, the total number of affected people would be in the thousands, maybe tens of thousands. Instead, the USA got 650,000 deaths.
   https://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/08/health/a-regimes-tight-grip-lessons-from-cuba-in-aids-control.html
   According to Dr. María Isela Lantero, AIDS chief at the Health Ministry’s, Cuba’s 11 million citizens have been tested 43 million times; last year, more than two million tests were done. That is the equivalent of testing the sexually active population every three years, though in reality the focus is on high-risk groups, who are tested more often.
   Cubans returning from abroad are routinely tested, as are pregnant women, prisoners, soldiers, hospital patients, health workers and anyone treated for venereal disease. So is anyone whose family doctor suspects he or she is gay, a sex worker or otherwise at risk.
   Haydee Martínez Obregón, 33, who has lived in the AIDS sanitarium in Sancti Spíritus, in central Cuba, since she was 19, is an example of that. (She lives there by choice, she said, because she has no home outside.)
   Asked how she learned she was infected, she said, “My family doctor thought it was a good idea to test me because I was so promiscuous.”
   And how did he know that?
   “My mother told him everythign.”

   ^Beyond stupid, Townhall troll just keeps going and going.
   Your policies are failures. Cuba isn't even close to relevant in this case. You've provided a blue print for how to *increase* the spread of HIV, just as Reagan's failure to inform the public did.

   That isn't "Townhall troll," you moron.

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2. Sophy
   

   LOL, you are the epitome of a science denier. The very existence of Cuba refutes your evidence-free theorizing. Quarantine in the real world _decreased_ HIV, not increased it. Name a single example where quarantine _increased_ HIV. You can't. Reality has a distinct pro-quarantine bias.
   https://pulitzercenter.org/projects/cubas-headstart-finding-cure-aids
   There are few more exemplary differences than how the two nations dealt with the HIV epidemic.
   AIDS hit the United States in the early 1980s seemingly everywhere at once—first in the gay communities, particularly in New York and San Francisco, before spreading to intravenous drug users, and then into virtually every community in the nation. Fear spread around the country.
   Not so in Cuba.
   HIV came to Cuba in a very different way. Soldiers coming home from Angola where they had fought in its war with apartheid South Africa met almost universal praise. However, some returned with HIV. The Cuban government responded in dramatically different fashion than the U.S., forcibly quarantining anybody who tested positive for HIV. People with HIV lived locked away from the rest of society in sanitariums to stop the spread of the virus.
   Here’s the public health conundrum. Unlike any other country in the Western Hemisphere, AIDS never took hold in Cuba. Today, the country has the lowest rate of HIV infection in the Americas.

   LOL! you're the epitome of an idiot over and over again. Cuba has *nothing* to do with the US HIV epidemic. THere's literally *no comparison* between the two.

   Your ideas would scare people away from testing and seeking treatment. *That's* how f---king stupid you are. You're arrogant and ignorant ideas would literally make the problem worse.

   But keep posting the same thing over and over again. I didn't read the firs time and I don't plan to read it the 50th time. I stop reading when it says "Cuba"

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3. Sophy
   

   Just to recap, Townhall Trolls thinks that stigmatizing and quarantining HIV positive people will help solve the crisis, as opposed to scaring people away from testing and causing them hide their disease.
   That's how crazy stupid and thoughtless some of these conservatives are.
   Let me guess: you are completely innumerate, so you have no idea what the cheapest way to stop a process with exponential growth is. Answer: it's cheapest to stop it at the beginning, before the number of affected people grows large, see? If the USA had imposed quarantine, the total number of affected people would be in the thousands, maybe tens of thousands. Instead, the USA got 650,000 deaths.
   https://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/08/health/a-regimes-tight-grip-lessons-from-cuba-in-aids-control.html
   According to Dr. María Isela Lantero, AIDS chief at the Health Ministry’s, Cuba’s 11 million citizens have been tested 43 million times; last year, more than two million tests were done. That is the equivalent of testing the sexually active population every three years, though in reality the focus is on high-risk groups, who are tested more often.
   Cubans returning from abroad are routinely tested, as are pregnant women, prisoners, soldiers, hospital patients, health workers and anyone treated for venereal disease. So is anyone whose family doctor suspects he or she is gay, a sex worker or otherwise at risk.
   Haydee Martínez Obregón, 33, who has lived in the AIDS sanitarium in Sancti Spíritus, in central Cuba, since she was 19, is an example of that. (She lives there by choice, she said, because she has no home outside.)
   Asked how she learned she was infected, she said, “My family doctor thought it was a good idea to test me because I was so promiscuous.”
   And how did he know that?
   “My mother told him everythign.”
   ^Beyond stupid, Townhall troll just keeps going and going.
   Your policies are failures. Cuba isn't even close to relevant in this case. You've provided a blue print for how to *increase* the spread of HIV, just as Reagan's failure to inform the public did.

   That isn't "Townhall troll," you moron.

   Hi, TOwnhall troll. Did you know that you're consistently one of the dumbest people on this foruM?

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4. Madyson
   

   They needed to be told by the federal government that b-tt f-cking isn't a great idea? How dumb do you think people are?
   Yeah I mean nothing will stop them from b-tt f-cking, right?
   ^This is the kind of mentality that caused Reagan to wait 6 years before using his platform to give the American public the information they needed to know, thus stoking hysteria and misinformation on the subject for years...

   Riiight because straight couples _never_ do it up the bum, is that right?

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5. Fay
   

   No, I was there and remember it all: Reagan doubling the national debt, selling arms to a terrorist nation and using the proceeds to arm a murderous dictator in central America, invading Grenada to distract attention from the catastrophe in Lebanon, hiring ex-Na zis and mob-connected goons, presiding over the AIDS and crack epidemics without doing jack sh!t, etc. Reagan's was easily the most corrupt since Harding (present occupant excepted, of course).
   The AIDS epidemic was caused by gay men having promiscuous, unprotected sex. Period.
   The only effective measures would have restricted gay men from having promiscuous, unprotected sex. Like quarantine, effectively implemented by Cuba. But of course this was not PC. And so Americans died of AIDS, while Cubans lived.

   you are a moron

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6. Lana
   

   Regan was a very important president. He radically changed the country and brought the Cold War to an end: moved regulations to the right. Wonderful. You lefties dream of a president who can do that for you.

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7. Eric
   

   Regan was a very important president. He radically changed the country and brought the Cold War to an end: moved regulations to the right. Wonderful. You lefties dream of a president who can do that for you.

   If someone is a "leftie", why would they dream of regulations moving to the right? Think before you speak.

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8. Kolour
   

   Regan was a very important president. He radically changed the country and brought the Cold War to an end: moved regulations to the right. Wonderful. You lefties dream of a president who can do that for you.

   Wrong. The Soviet Union collapsed by itself, after Reagan was out of office. He did jack sh!t to end the Cold War. In fact, he threatened to bomb Russia on an open mic.

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9. Rolande
   

   Regan was a very important president. He radically changed the country and brought the Cold War to an end: moved regulations to the right. Wonderful. You lefties dream of a president who can do that for you.

   Wrong. The Soviet Union collapsed by itself, after Reagan was out of office. He did jack sh!t to end the Cold War. In fact, he threatened to bomb Russia on an open mic.

   Haven't you been following this thread? That's what they said after Reagan. But before Reagan came along, they said...

   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predictions_of_the_dissolution_of_the_Soviet_Union

   Predictions of the Soviet Union's impending demise were discounted by many Western academic specialists,[6] and had little impact on mainstream Sovietology.[7] For example, Amalrik's book "was welcomed as a piece of brilliant literature in the West" but "virtually no one tended to take it at face value as a piece of political prediction." Up to about 1980, the strength of the Soviet Union was widely overrated by critics and revisionists alike.[3]

   In 1983, Princeton University professor Stephen Cohen described the Soviet system as remarkably stable.

   The Central Intelligence Agency also badly over-estimated the internal stability of the Soviet Union, and did not anticipate the speed of its collapse. Former DCI Stansfield Turner in 1991 wrote in the US Journal Foreign Affairs, "We should not gloss over the enormity of this failure to forecast the magnitude of the Soviet crisis . . . Yet I never heard a suggestion from the CIA, or the intelligence arms of the departments of Defense or State, that numerous Soviets recognized a growing, systemic economic problem."[8]

   In a symposium launched to review Michel Garder's French book: L'Agonie du Regime en Russie Sovietique (The Death Struggle of the Regime in Soviet Russia), which also predicted the collapse of the USSR, Yale Professor Frederick C. Barghoorn dismissed Garder's book as "the latest in a long line of apocalyptic predictions of the collapse of communism." He warns that "great revolutions are most infrequent and that successful political systems are tenacious and adaptive." In addition, the reviewer of the book, Michael Tatu, disapproved of the "apocalyptic character" of such a forecast and is almost apologetic for treating it seriously.[9]

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10. Wilma
    

    USA was gonna be a slow European country until he came along, now we are way ahead

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11. Kolour
    

    Another WP-citing undergrad checks in. Kindly gtfo. This is a board for intelligent, well-educated people.

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12. Pansy
    

    Another WP-citing undergrad checks in. Kindly gtfo. This is a board for intelligent, well-educated people.

    And is WaPo not written by intelligent, well-educated people? Many of their staff have doctorates but chose to pursue journalism to avoid the mentally stifling, psychologically repressive, and institutionally conservative nature of academic study.

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13. Gregoire
    

    Another WP-citing undergrad checks in. Kindly gtfo. This is a board for intelligent, well-educated people.

    And is WaPo not written by intelligent, well-educated people? Many of their staff have doctorates but chose to pursue journalism to avoid the mentally stifling, psychologically repressive, and institutionally conservative nature of academic study.

    You don't know what WP stands for or why using it identifies you as an undergrad. In other words, gtfo undergrad.

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14. Camden
    

    WTF?

    and institutionally conservative nature of academic study.

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15. Gregoire
    

    WTF?
    and institutionally conservative nature of academic study.

    Another undergrad. Gtfo.

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