Tami is Scott Yenor
Utych personally offended when other people do good research
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Just like you then.
My mental state is just perfect!Have you considered saying these things to him with your name attached?
Why would I engage him personally? I wouldn't even insult him like some ppl above, but still it will just lead to a swarm of attacks for punching down, and other tenured ppl at top 10ish places will quietly nod in agreement but not say anything.
It simply isn't worth the hassle for any one person to correct the misperceptions of ppl like Utych. But as a result they kind of fester in the discipline.
The main problem as alluded upthread is that Utych (and to some extent Burmilla and others) think of research as a contest to measure their intellectual worth. It's not. It's designed to learn things about the world.
If inequalities of resources prevent that, they are bad. But the inequality that produced the B-K paper didn't. It enabled us to learn more about the world. Utych et al. are still mad because they feel left out, not because it stifles knowledge accumulation.
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A key aspect of some signaling games is how a sender uses information to convince a receiver that they are a good-type (vs. bad-type). SU, with his petty sniping at editors and grantmakers, is revealing his true type now that he's leaving academia. Makes you wonder if the system is actually broken. Hiring committees seemingly dodged a bullet.
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Just like you then.
My mental state is just perfect!
Have you considered saying these things to him with your name attached?Why would I engage him personally? I wouldn't even insult him like some ppl above, but still it will just lead to a swarm of attacks for punching down, and other tenured ppl at top 10ish places will quietly nod in agreement but not say anything.
It simply isn't worth the hassle for any one person to correct the misperceptions of ppl like Utych. But as a result they kind of fester in the discipline.
The main problem as alluded upthread is that Utych (and to some extent Burmilla and others) think of research as a contest to measure their intellectual worth. It's not. It's designed to learn things about the world.
If inequalities of resources prevent that, they are bad. But the inequality that produced the B-K paper didn't. It enabled us to learn more about the world. Utych et al. are still mad because they feel left out, not because it stifles knowledge accumulation.Genuinely curious what the problem with him is, then. He does produce knowledge. He has published a lot, though people in this thread (not sure if it is you) are dismissive of that. Is the problem that he doesn't stay in his lane? Is he not properly respectful of people at "top 10ish places"?
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Genuinely curious what the problem with him is, then. He does produce knowledge. He has published a lot, though people in this thread (not sure if it is you) are dismissive of that. Is the problem that he doesn't stay in his lane? Is he not properly respectful of people at "top 10ish places"?
Remember this all started with Utych complaining about resource inequalities that enabled the B-K experiment. The problem is that this objection is for purely self interested reasons -- it makes it harder for *him* to get his due.
The same is true for his general disgruntlement about academia.
Other than that, no problems. He is gainfully employed and productive. Good for him. Too bad the career did not work out, but from what I can see it will not be a great loss for the discipline in scholarly terms.
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Just like you then.
My mental state is just perfect!
Have you considered saying these things to him with your name attached?
Why would I engage him personally? I wouldn't even insult him like some ppl above, but still it will just lead to a swarm of attacks for punching down, and other tenured ppl at top 10ish places will quietly nod in agreement but not say anything.
It simply isn't worth the hassle for any one person to correct the misperceptions of ppl like Utych. But as a result they kind of fester in the discipline.
The main problem as alluded upthread is that Utych (and to some extent Burmilla and others) think of research as a contest to measure their intellectual worth. It's not. It's designed to learn things about the world.
If inequalities of resources prevent that, they are bad. But the inequality that produced the B-K paper didn't. It enabled us to learn more about the world. Utych et al. are still mad because they feel left out, not because it stifles knowledge accumulation.Genuinely curious what the problem with him is, then. He does produce knowledge. He has published a lot, though people in this thread (not sure if it is you) are dismissive of that. Is the problem that he doesn't stay in his lane? Is he not properly respectful of people at "top 10ish places"?
I wrote upthread, he seems productive, he's at a more than decent place. He's allowed to want something different in his life. No problem.
But the idea that his case demonstrates that there's something 'wrong' with academia is laughable. He seems really aggrieved about something. I get that. But sometimes, it's not me, it's you.
BTW, I'm probably in a similar boat. At a good place, not great. In a good city, not great. Making OK money, not great. Tenured. I publish in good journals, not great.
You know what? I don't think I'm where I am because the discipline doesn't recognize my worth or because of inequalities.
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This dude is going to need to tone it down if he is taking a job in the corporate sector - and in MARKETING. Corporate marketing is all about not airing your dirty laundry and presenting a good public face (regardless of the reality) about the corporate brand and its products.
Sour grapes does not sell product.
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This is some self-righteous BS. You know what else research is (for most academics)? It’s a job. It happens to be a job that I really like doing, but it’s still a job. So let’s not pretend that it’s not a means to an end—living in a better city, having higher income, providing a higher quality of life to your family etc.
The main problem as alluded upthread is that Utych (and to some extent Burmilla and others) think of research as a contest to measure their intellectual worth. It's not. It's designed to learn things about the world.