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Irene

Y'all love to focus on the bean count: Job market candidate has X publications at Y tier journals, and X*Y determines worth as a candidate. That's not how it works. Publications are the threshold of entry onto the long list, then we actually read submitted writing samples, the cover letters, letters of rec. And when you get to campus all those 1-on-1 interviews count for A LOT.

I think a lot of dudes on here have some interpersonal dysfunction and so they really need to believe that CVs get hired and not people.

1 month ago # QUOTE 43 YEA 15 NAY !
Sherman

Y'all love to focus on the bean count: Job market candidate has X publications at Y tier journals, and X*Y determines worth as a candidate. That's not how it works. Publications are the threshold of entry onto the long list, then we actually read submitted writing samples, the cover letters, letters of rec. And when you get to campus all those 1-on-1 interviews count for A LOT.
I think a lot of dudes on here have some interpersonal dysfunction and so they really need to believe that CVs get hired and not people.

They don’t get that the party is always right

1 month ago # QUOTE 3 YEA 2 NAY !
Meg

Y'all love to focus on the bean count: Job market candidate has X publications at Y tier journals, and X*Y determines worth as a candidate. That's not how it works. Publications are the threshold of entry onto the long list, then we actually read submitted writing samples, the cover letters, letters of rec. And when you get to campus all those 1-on-1 interviews count for A LOT.
I think a lot of dudes on here have some interpersonal dysfunction and so they really need to believe that CVs get hired and not people.

You got to have the CV to even get looked at though. It's definitely the first step for JMCfla/kes. Only after you make the CV cut do you get a closer look.

1 month ago # QUOTE 8 YEA 1 NAY !
Lexine

jfc, learn english people.

1 month ago # QUOTE 1 YEA 3 NAY !
Alberic

Y'all love to focus on the bean count: Job market candidate has X publications at Y tier journals, and X*Y determines worth as a candidate. That's not how it works. Publications are the threshold of entry onto the long list, then we actually read submitted writing samples, the cover letters, letters of rec. And when you get to campus all those 1-on-1 interviews count for A LOT.
I think a lot of dudes on here have some interpersonal dysfunction and so they really need to believe that CVs get hired and not people.

Well duh. By your math, a Tier 1 journal would count for less than a Tier 3 journal. You've got to take the inverse of Y.

1 month ago # QUOTE 9 YEA 2 NAY !
Lonnie

Y'all love to focus on the bean count: Job market candidate has X publications at Y tier journals, and X*Y determines worth as a candidate. That's not how it works. Publications are the threshold of entry onto the long list, then we actually read submitted writing samples, the cover letters, letters of rec. And when you get to campus all those 1-on-1 interviews count for A LOT.
I think a lot of dudes on here have some interpersonal dysfunction and so they really need to believe that CVs get hired and not people.

You got to have the CV to even get looked at though. It's definitely the first step for JMCfla/kes. Only after you make the CV cut do you get a closer look.

Yes, I said exactly that in my original post:
"Publications are the threshold of entry onto the long list, then we actually read..."

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Benton

Learn English people? Or learn English, people?

jfc, learn english people.

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Berenice

jfc, learn english people.

And amazingly some of these people who can’t string together a clear thought also think that their job market challenges are because the system is stacked against them.

1 month ago # QUOTE 10 YEA 1 NAY !
Virginia

I enjoy the nays to the original post.

“What?!? The impressions I make on other people COUNTS!?!”

1 month ago # QUOTE 15 YEA 3 NAY !
Polly

Metrics get you the interview, personality and "fit" actually ets you the job.

1 month ago # QUOTE 13 YEA 1 NAY !
Tel

Y'all love to focus on the bean count: Job market candidate has X publications at Y tier journals, and X*Y determines worth as a candidate. That's not how it works. Publications are the threshold of entry onto the long list, then we actually read submitted writing samples, the cover letters, letters of rec. And when you get to campus all those 1-on-1 interviews count for A LOT.
I think a lot of dudes on here have some interpersonal dysfunction and so they really need to believe that CVs get hired and not people.

This is such a douche post. Sexists as if everyone doesn't hold some entitlement. And a delusional view that most committees read the writing samples. LOL.

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Polly

It is you that is delusional, apparently

Y'all love to focus on the bean count: Job market candidate has X publications at Y tier journals, and X*Y determines worth as a candidate. That's not how it works. Publications are the threshold of entry onto the long list, then we actually read submitted writing samples, the cover letters, letters of rec. And when you get to campus all those 1-on-1 interviews count for A LOT.
I think a lot of dudes on here have some interpersonal dysfunction and so they really need to believe that CVs get hired and not people.

This is such a douche post. Sexists as if everyone doesn't hold some entitlement. And a delusional view that most committees read the writing samples. LOL.

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Josiah

If publications are the bare minimum requirement, how did an unpublished abd from Notre Dame get the Delaware (a R1 even if lowly) job?

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Polly

What other info do you have... Connections, race, ethnicity, geography, hot dissertation topic, etc etc?

If publications are the bare minimum requirement, how did an unpublished abd from Notre Dame get the Delaware (a R1 even if lowly) job?

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Stu

Departments with no real discord or acrimony do exist, and people in those departments really, really want to keep things that way. Remember that.

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Eric

If publications are the bare minimum requirement, how did an unpublished abd from Notre Dame get the Delaware (a R1 even if lowly) job?

“How can this explanation possibly have merit if one time something different happened?”

I bet you got a lot of eye rolls from people back when you were still taking seminars.

1 month ago # QUOTE 4 YEA 1 NAY !
Tel

C U N T

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Tel

If publications are the bare minimum requirement, how did an unpublished abd from Notre Dame get the Delaware (a R1 even if lowly) job?

“How can this explanation possibly have merit if one time something different happened?”

happens all the time btw

1 month ago # QUOTE 4 YEA 1 NAY !
Delicia

we hire the blahkkies, keeps the Dean and Provost and the DEI terrorists off our back.

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May

i agree with OPs sentiment but its not even true publications are the bare minimum. good search committees read actual jmps and reference letters and make independent value judgments of them. most search committees are also looking for a very specific type of person to fill a very specific set of dept needs. the person withe the most pubs very regularly doesn't top the list on either dimension.

because there's a lot of heterogeneity in what people in our field think of as good work and a lot of heterogeneity in dept needs, the aggregate effect can look confusing and jumbled, as if there's no standard relative to an external metric like bean count, even as most search committees think they're being rigorous.

we are social scientists. its not hard to understand this.

1 month ago # QUOTE 21 YEA 3 NAY !

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